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Music

I think some word about Fabrizio De André are due, the most prominent cantautore of his era... 93.148.52.88 (talk) 06:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree 100%. JacktheBrown (talk) 04:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Length

At over 23k words of readable prose, this article is too long to read comfortably. It would be beneficial to condense and/or migrate content to subarticles to make this one more readable. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion the article is not too long. The topic is really very complex and multifaceted, and a detailed article is needed to have a complete treatment. --LukeWiller (talk) 17:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC).[reply]

I appreciate that that might be your opinion, but that doesn't outweigh WP:TOOBIG. Complex and multifaceted topics are meant to be – and in many cases are – covered by summary style articles with more detailed child articles expanding on subtopics. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if it would be helpful if we establish a word count goal for getting this page under control.

At present it is, IMHO, too long by half and also reads more like a compendium than an actual synthesis. If we want a strong, synthetic "Culture of Italy" article, it must do something the child articles don’t. Trimming the word count only gets us part of the way there.

In any event, the Very long template should not be removed without discussion here.

Vineviz (talk) 15:35, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The current length of >17,000 words is still excessive given that most sections should be concisely summarizing their "main article" content. Vineviz (talk) 01:24, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Vineviz: I propose splitting the final part of the Music sub-section, and the Media section. JacktheBrown (talk) 19:59, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Split to where? These should already be summaries of their subarticles. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:28, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm open to hearing more, but I'm skeptical that this helps us. This article is already so long that I wonder how splitting an existing section would make it more readable. Vineviz (talk) 00:55, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BE and AE (important)

This article is a mess of British and American English, let's find consistency. JacktheBrown (talk) 11:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Revision to "Music" Section

@JacktheBrown, @Nikkimaria — if you have a moment, I’d appreciate your thoughts on this proposed revision to the Music section.

I’d like to propose a lightly condensed and revised version of the `===Music===` section of this article. The goal is to:

Reduce word count by ~30% to improve clarity and readability
Provide more encyclopedic synthesis, focusing on music’s cultural role rather than duplicating detailed genre coverage
Avoid redundancy with the expansive and well-sourced Music of Italy article
Retain all key figures, sourced material, and citations

This revision:

Preserves major milestones (e.g., invention of the piano/violin, Verdi’s connection to national identity, Sanremo Festival)
Emphasizes music’s relationship to Italian society and regional diversity
Trims long composer/performance lists and subgenre details that are now covered in more depth in the main article

You can view the full proposed section here:

👉 User:vineviz/Culture of Italy (Music draft)

I’d welcome any comments, objections, or suggested improvements before implementing. Thanks in advance!

Vineviz (talk) 02:03, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing this. I'd suggest avoiding flowery language (eg "remains vibrant") and finding a better source than AllMusic for the Moroder claim. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

good tips. I made some additional edits. Vineviz (talk) 02:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]